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4merMP

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Well, we had some bad luck Saturday. We took the ADV2 Northstar out for the first time this year Saturday afternoon. We only rode about 3 hours and threw a rod through the block. No prior indicators of any issue. I change oil every 25 hours, and there haven't been any signs of an oil leak.

Was just starting back to the parking lot to go home. Running about 30-35mph in high range on a smooth dirt trail when all hell broke loose. There was a momentary jerk that almost felt like an abrubt downshift. My wife said she smelled something burning, but I never smelled it. Immediately, it sounded like the exhaust manifold had fallen off.

I slowed down to about 10mph, not realizing what had happened and hoped to limp it back to the parking lot. Within about about 500 ft. the engine died and that was it. Done Over.

A fellow came along and pulled me back to the parking lot, where I winched it up on the trailer. When we got home, I decided I'd blow it off with the pressure washer, so I could maybe see what was going on. While washing it, a chunk of metal blew out on the deck of the trailer that turned out to be the bigger of two pieces of block that had blown out. We took off the rear skid plate, and found a big chunk of the rod embedded in the plate...melted right through it in one spot. We gathered up all the broken bits and pieces we found, including part of a ring and what I believe is one of the bolts used to torque to the rod. The bolt was bent and had red rust in some of the threads and had the thread worn off on one side.

I'm pretty confident the rod wasn't properly torqued and that's why she blew apart. I ordered mine the very first day they were available to order, back in 2023. So I'm a year out of warranty. I showed the parts to the Service manager at the dealership, and he agreed it sure looked like a bolt from the rod. And the dealership manager confirmed if that rod wasn't properly torqued, that could sure account for why it blew apart.

So I guess now is when I find out if Polaris will cover it or not. Out of warranty or not, I'd hate to think they wouldn't cover it with only 103 hours on the engine, and 1448 total miles. We just don't use it that often. Just over 700 miles a year.

I'm not much into buying extended warranties, and am willing to accept some risks. But if the rod wasn't torqued right to begin with, that's just outright negligence and I'd like to think Polaris will take care of that. I've read on this forum and other boards of a few others who had rods blow through the block. So feel sure there were some issues with the early-production machines, no longer than these things have been out and available.

I'll sure as hell be ticked if Polaris decides I have to eat this catastrophic failure. With a $40K base price, and another $15K in add-ons before I ever took delivery (more than 6 weeks at the dealership being customized), I'd sure like to think quality control wasn't that bad, and if it was, that they'd not stand behind it. I've spent about $120K on 3 new machines since 2019 with the same dealership. But I know they can only do so much for me, and that it will be up to Polaris in the end.

I've had good luck with both Honda and GM covering issues outside of warranty on things that should have never occurred. So hopefully, the same will be true this time. I'm never one to whine about what I pay for something up front. I will bitch and complain, however, if I get a lemon. This one is tasting pretty bitter at the moment.
 
That really suсks. I’ve heard of a couple of them blowing up like this, but all of them I’m aware of were either still under warranty or extended warranty. Nothing consistent about timeframes though. One with only a hundred or so miles, up to 3000+.
The Prostar II motor isn’t as new as the Xpeditions. They were using it in the RZR XP1000 before the Xpeditions were released. Though still fairly new.
As to quality control, Polaris has a pretty poor track record on that front. There were a slew of oil pan leaks previously, and multiple other issues. Some have been addressed, some not.
They have a reasonably good track record of taking care of manufacturing defects and issues. Though, again, either under warranty or shortly after it expired.

Here’s hoping they at least help you out with this one.
 
Sorry to hear about the troubles, 4merMP. As I get older and am less inclined to work on my own stuff, I am more inclined to get an extended warranty. I got the 5 year on my XP5, 7 years on the RV and 10 year on my Ford F450. Before the warranty runs out on my 2024 Ford Expedition, I'll decide whether to trade it in of get an extended warranty.

BTW: I love the name. MP barracks was always the best place to party :cool: USAF 76-80
 
Sorry to hear about the troubles, 4merMP. As I get older and am less inclined to work on my own stuff, I am more inclined to get an extended warranty. I got the 5 year on my XP5, 7 years on the RV and 10 year on my Ford F450. Before the warranty runs out on my 2024 Ford Expedition, I'll decide whether to trade it in of get an extended warranty.

BTW: I love the name. MP barracks was always the best place to party :cool: USAF 76-80
 
Appreciate your thoughts. Yeah, I'm old enough I don't typically do anything except regular maintenance and minor stuff myself. I've had a couple extended warranties on things years ago, but never had a claim. I kinda look at it this way...I try to buy the very best I can after giving it research. I'm willing to accept some risk for breaking things, premature wear and tear failures, etc. But I have a hard time accepting that anyone should have to pay thousands extra to cover something like a catastrophic failure due to negligence on the part of the manufacturer.
It's like the manufacturers pushing the extended warranties are trying to put off all their responsibility on the buyer. And often times, people who think they have coverage have a hard time collecting when there is a catastrophic failure. It's like buying insurance. So many insurance companies work hard to wiggle out of paying when there is a loss. Granted, however, if I had an extended warranty at this point, I might be in a better position to negotiate!
I still think most reputable manufacturers tend to stand behind major catastrophic failures due to their negligence...if you can provide evidence of that. So I'm eagerly waiting for my dealership to take a good look and come up with a game plan. I'm confident it was due to user negligence or abuse. We're old. We don't ride hard and I'm a stickler on preventative maintenance. Something had to be wrong to begin with. Hopefully, Polaris will accept that their engine should be more bulletproof than 103 hours of normal use.
Glad you like the username. I taught at the Army MP School back in the mid-late 70s. ETS'd from there in October '79.
 
Push the dealership to submit that claim. Had my motor blow up on me last fall. 2200 miles on it and blew a rod through the block as well. There’s known issues and Polaris did end up covering it. I did have the extended warranty and was under the 1 year mark, but dealership did not tell me if either of those mattered in the ultimate decision to cover the replacement. Check those skid plates for oil residue, there’s a bunch of the first off the line that had leaking oil pan seals which ultimately lead to a dry motor and blown block. Just my 2 cents.
 
Push the dealership to submit that claim. Had my motor blow up on me last fall. 2200 miles on it and blew a rod through the block as well. There’s known issues and Polaris did end up covering it. I did have the extended warranty and was under the 1 year mark, but dealership did not tell me if either of those mattered in the ultimate decision to cover the replacement. Check those skid plates for oil residue, there’s a bunch of the first off the line that had leaking oil pan seals which ultimately lead to a dry motor and blown block. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for that. I'll be sure to tell them that.👍
 
Well, good news. It took a little while for my dealership to get me in, get the engine out and examined, photograph everything and submit a case for me. Last Friday, the dealership said Polaris wanted me to provide my maintenance records. We were out of state and returned home Sunday. I provided what they asked for on Monday.
I got a message from the dealership today telling me Polaris approved my case. The shop told me it looked like a rod bearing spun. All the cylinder walls were scored and the internals were cooked black from heat, due to no lubrication.
I'm thankful to the guys at Indy Powersports for going to bat for me and presenting a good case for replacing my engine. They took a lot of pictures and provided a good bit of documentation regarding the damage and what caused it.
So hopefully, they'll soon get everything in they need to start getting me back together.
Thanks to the guys here who provided some insight on how their cases got resolved.
 
It's great that they took care of you.

Question: If you do your own oil changes, what can you provide that would prove you did the maintenance? I doubt I kept the receipt of the oil change kit. I guess I could pull the credit card charge kit showing that I purchased something from the dealer.

-JG
 
It's great that they took care of you.

Question: If you do your own oil changes, what can you provide that would prove you did the maintenance? I doubt I kept the receipt of the oil change kit. I guess I could pull the credit card charge kit showing that I purchased something from the dealer.

-JG
If you have the ride command app- I’ve been entering the maintenance on the vehicle on there. It asks for dates, mileage, hours, and has some preloaded routine maintenance items set up for you. Pretty handy to fall back on a digital version.
 
It's great that they took care of you.

Question: If you do your own oil changes, what can you provide that would prove you did the maintenance? I doubt I kept the receipt of the oil change kit. I guess I could pull the credit card charge kit showing that I purchased something from the dealer.

-JG
I provided photos of receipts where I purchased fluids, belts, filters and even windshield washer pumps online in bulk. The dealership also had in their records receipts where I purchased fluids and filters. My shop sells me 2-1/2 gallon quantities when they can spare them from the shop. I don't save a lot by buying in bulk, but it beats driving an hour each way to buy. Then I showed them photos of the actual products in my garage.
We're older and we use a calendar planner to keep everything we do in one spot. The planner we are using right now is a 2023-2025. So it showed every trip we took, the dates, locations, etc. Every service was documented there, too.
I've always done services at 25 hour intervals, no matter how long I have the machine. That's partly due to the fact that we don't put many miles/hours on each year. So sometimes it just time to change the fluids...typically twice a year, based on our riding.
So I had all the receipts, I showed all the physical proof of purchase and I had dates and hours of service recorded in a permanent record book.
I've never planned on having to prove I maintained a machine. But we just write everything down when we do it . All of our appointments, meetings, trips, service appointments for our other on-road vehicles.
The only thing I'd do different in the future is to take pictures and make recordings with date stamps when we service. I think that would be helpful if we were to ever need to make another claim. That would take a little time and effort, but it's still quicker than loading up and trailering back and forth to and from the dealership...and I like doing my own maintenance because I know exactly what is done every time.
This is just our 4th offroad machine, and is the first that we've ever had a catastrophic failure. One Honda, and the last 3 are Polaris. Mostly all just regular maintenance. Very few "failures" to speak of. One broken prop shaft on a previous Ranger Northstar...and Polaris covered it for us, too. So no complaints here.
I had good luck over the years with Honda, GM and Ditch Witch on out of warranty coverage. Ditch witch was probably the best customer care of any. I bought a brand new trencher/backhoe from them. It just happened that they discontinued the model later that year. They made improvements and beefed up the new replacement model in a lot of ways. I had a slew of issues in the 5 years I had that unit, and Ditch Witch covered EVERYTHING. No questions asked. When the hydrostatic drive pump failed in the 5th year, they didn't had one available. So they pulled a pump out of one from their training school in OK, and overnighted it to my dealership to get me back on the job. Then a few days later, the actual owner of DW had their area rep contact me and invite me to come out to the factory.
We had a gun show coming up in Tulsa, so I just traveled on out to the factory, met George (the owner) in his office for about 30 minutes. He asked me what I would want if I were to buy another unit from them. I told him I'd take the newer model of just what I had. The original unit I'd purchased 5 years before was about $35K with the hoe and boring machine. The new unit with a lot more options and upgrades was almost $65K retail, and George told the area rep to get that machine ready for me and take my old unit in on trade...for $10K difference! I had paid for my old machine 4 or 5 times in the work I'd done, so I literally had nothing in it at that point. It had paid for itself, and the factory had covered all the problems. It just doesn't get any better customer service than that. I remained a loyal DW customer until I finally retired and sold the business.
George had started Ditch Witch in his garage at home. That guy knew what it was like to work and depend on equipment to do the job. I always brag on DW anytime I can. If they treated me like that, they probably treated everybody else the same way if the word got to management. That was 25 years ago now, and I still haven't forgotten!
 
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Had not read this thread yet, man what a rough start but fantastic finish! Since I am embarrassingly just over 500 miles on mine, but with an extended warranty, and just did my own maintenance - this sure does hit home.

Did they ever give you a root cause for this, saw the mention of lack of lube??

Thanks much for sharing this, if I could send you a fernet as consolation I sure would! Sure glad to hear that worked out for you, I knew it would as I read it!
 
Update. We picked up our Xpedition today from the dealership with a new engine installed. Our total out of pocket cost was $0.00. Polaris apparently covered it all.
Our dealership, Indy Powersports, went to bat for us and got the claim covered! (y)(y)
Glad to hear they took care of you. A good dealership makes all the difference. Ours has been great like that too.
 
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